Hersheypark: Attraction 2012 Rumor and News Discussion

I really doubt he thought this was going to be this tall, I think it was just a general question. On the dive machine idea I really doubt it. Their relitivly cheap Intimins have done spectacular so why try something unknown, its not like the general public knows any difference in companys. A dive machine would also be competing with Busch Gardens. Most of the people I know in the area have been to both so I don't think they want to open competition like that because of all the parks in the area like Dorney Park, Kings Dominion, and Busch Gardens that are all top knoch parks.

I was asking in general. This will probably be 212 feet. I think it'll be like a mini-version of Millennium Force, similar to Superman at Six Flags America. However, it should have more airtime than that, a cable lift, and the kind of track used on Intimidator 300.

I agree about the lift and track style. The whole thing should be the same style as I-305, just 100 feet shorter height-wise.

HPCrazy wrote:I agree about the lift and track style. The whole thing should be the same style as I-305, just 100 feet shorter height-wise.

I don't think this ride should be the same style (if by "whole thing" you mean in terms of the entire ride's layout). I-300 (KD) barely has any airtime, and Hershey already has a bunch of twister coasters. If it were to have that layout, people would see it as Fahrenheit without the inversions or the vertical hill.

I havent been on I305 yet but I'm also hoping for a more traditional airtime filled hyper. I wouldn't mind a mega lite type layout with some airtime hills and some low to the ground turns but more airtime please! Oh and.. don't tear down all the trees!

America actually has taller coasters then Japan believe it or not f1 coaster in the middle east had the speed record but in general..America pwns in mega/giga/strata coasters. As with someone else said I'm hoping this ride does have some track similar to i305 with more airtime.

intaminfan08 wrote:America actually has taller coasters then Japan believe it or not f1 coaster in the middle east had the speed record but in general..America pwns in mega/giga/strata coasters. As with someone else said I'm hoping this ride does have some track similar to i305 with more airtime.

There are 5 giga and strata coasters combined. 4 of them are in the United States. The one giga is in Japan. Mega coasters aside, I'm pretty sure having 4 of the 5 tallest in the world "pwns" everyone else.

Yes that's what I was saying sorry it was a quick reply on my cell phone and didn't go that far with words and framer. So its been a little since we got an on site report, wonder what's going on next now that we have action at the gate.

All I can say is HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This is going to be sweet

I occasionally read this site to see what people are saying about the local parks. I don't comment much, because I'm active on another site that I like a lot (not TPR - only very slightly active there). I felt the urge to respond to this, though.

CoasterEricHP wrote:-Edit - Man what crawled up some people at TPR's arses? There are way too many people over there with huge ego's/opinions and I just wanted to again say thank you for giving me a permanent alternative to that place!

I laughed when I read this, Eric, because I know you were referring to what I wrote on the HP thread over at TPR. I stand behind everything I said, including what I followed up with. I don't like the games the park is playing, and I think it totally stinks that we have to wait until August for an official announcement

I got a kick out of what Eric wrote here because he and I have similar opinions of Hersheypark, the way it operates now, and the direction the park has headed over the past decade. I also share his opinion of TPR, a site that is full of either coaster snobs and jerks, most notably Alvey himself, or people who have no clue as to what the heck they are talking about. I'm not sure why I even created an acount there. I think is was to intially comment on something someone said about HP that was really off base.

I wish there was more Hersheypark commentary on the site I participate in, ultimaterollercoaster.com . CoasterEricHP used to post there a lot back in the early 2000's. Where did you go? (besides TPR) Why'd you leave? We had a few message board conversations back in the day. I use a different username there.

I've been to parks all over the country, and have ridden well over 200 coasters. I worked in the industry for many years. I feel like I have a thing or two to offer a message board community. I didn't mean to come across snobby in my opinion of this game. I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade. If you get a kick out of the game and clues, great. Have fun. I just don't like it.

The initial tease was in October. The announcement in August will come 10 months after the "game" began. That's a long time to string people along. I find it annoying.

Please though, these boards are the friendliest around and are here to talk about Hersheys 2012 project, please if you have a problem p.m the Guy atleast. Hershey could have not said anything and kept us even more in the dark, I'm thankfully something official has been said lately. After all you also must have missed the part where they also said more would be going on in April. Speaking of it should be a wonderful weekend and next week should have fairly decent weather hopefully allowing construction to continue.

When I went on the newly discovered webpage on RIT's website I saw this weird image above the writing. It looked like a globe with lines of latitude and longitude, and written underneath it was AFW with lines between each letter, anyone know what this means?

Magnum PA wrote:The initial tease was in October. The announcement in August will come 10 months after the "game" began. That's a long time to string people along. I find it annoying.

What does it matter? The ride won't open until 2012. The real initial tease was when markers started popping up in the park in the spring of 2010.

It seems to be a German acronym, though i am not sure what it is referring to. It (AFW) seems to stand for Arbeitgeberverband der Finanzdienstleistenden Wirtschaft (Employers' Association of Financial Service Providers), but that seems a bit random.

Similarly, JvdV also has foreign links. JvdV are the initials for Jan van der Veken, a Belgian illustrator. He has a unique artistic style, and has done covers for several magazines.

Not sure what to make of this, but throwing it out there for others to see.

Edit: One more things. The subject of the "letter" from the PDF is "Subject: DNF - Comp. Imagine Research Q1 2011." Imagine Research is a company that designs algorithmic solutions involving computer processing of sound.

I'm not quite sure what DNF is, aside from the obvious racing connotation of "Did not finish," the form of logic, and the game Duke Nukem Forever.

Did a wiki look up of DNF and got this:

Dynamic No Fins - a discipline of freediving

That kinda goes with who signed that emails (Sofia?) hobby as a skydiver. Not sure if that helps or anything.

If HP doesn't go with Intamin, but does a B&M, they could make a flyer coaster and have all the splashdown effects (Alla Manta in Orlando). That alone would tie in with the couple skydiving references we have read so far. OR, Intamin could be attempting to create their version of a Flyer coaster and this could be it's first type of that kind.

Magnum PA wrote:I occasionally read this site to see what people are saying about the local parks. I don't comment much, because I'm active on another site that I like a lot (not TPR - only very slightly active there). I felt the urge to respond to this, though.

CoasterEricHP wrote:-Edit - Man what crawled up some people at TPR's arses? There are way too many people over there with huge ego's/opinions and I just wanted to again say thank you for giving me a permanent alternative to that place!

I laughed when I read this, Eric, because I know you were referring to what I wrote on the HP thread over at TPR. I stand behind everything I said, including what I followed up with. I don't like the games the park is playing, and I think it totally stinks that we have to wait until August for an official announcement

I got a kick out of what Eric wrote here because he and I have similar opinions of Hersheypark, the way it operates now, and the direction the park has headed over the past decade. I also share his opinion of TPR, a site that is full of either coaster snobs and jerks, most notably Alvey himself, or people who have no clue as to what the heck they are talking about. I'm not sure why I even created an acount there. I think is was to intially comment on something someone said about HP that was really off base.

I wish there was more Hersheypark commentary on the site I participate in, ultimaterollercoaster.com . CoasterEricHP used to post there a lot back in the early 2000's. Where did you go? (besides TPR) Why'd you leave? We had a few message board conversations back in the day. I use a different username there.

I've been to parks all over the country, and have ridden well over 200 coasters. I worked in the industry for many years. I feel like I have a thing or two to offer a message board community. I didn't mean to come across snobby in my opinion of this game. I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade. If you get a kick out of the game and clues, great. Have fun. I just don't like it.

The initial tease was in October. The announcement in August will come 10 months after the "game" began. That's a long time to string people along. I find it annoying.

I really don't want this to be a TPR and Robb-Hate thread becuase I really have nothing against the guy and absolutely do not want this site be be acting like Thrillnetwork (I've actually stopped posting anything over there because of this).
As for me posting over at TPR, I kind of just do because it was my first fan-site that I joined and haven't had any problems over there (except for the problem of nobody replying to anything I usually post).

But anyways, you're free to speak your mind and dislike the game and clues. If everyone had the same exact opinion on one thing, forums probably wouldn't exist.

Getting back on-topic, interesting finds guys. As far as the possibility of Intamin making their own flying coaster, it could be possible. Look at B&M and their spin on Intamin's Wing-Rider and S&S Power's multi-dimension coaster (even though the seats spin).

So, I just found out about the 'Ride Institute of Technology' and I'm really excited! I followed along very closely last time Hershey did something like this and I most certainly will again! I used to work as a ride operator at the park, and I will hopefully be back there again part-time this spring/summer. I look forward to reading, and contributing to, this exciting adventure!

AFW= Aerial Flying Watercoaster. I've heard it's going to be named Roller Soaker 2: RELOADED!

Well anything related to sky diving is a red flag to me hmm. Roller soaked 2? Please Hershey..nonono cook up a nice intamin hyper for us, I wouldn't mind some extra themeing with something to do about comet or space in general. The colors for this ride really have a chance to be unique, kinda how great bears color is rather unique amoung B&M inverts.

^^ Inverted Intamin Aquatrax. lol

A new update has been posted to the 2012 Update page on the website:
http://keystonethrills.webs.com/attraction2012updates.htm

In short, Keystone Thrills was asked to do another interview, but this time at the park today. While there, one thing that was mentioned was an August 2nd Announcement Day.

Be sure to watch for it on WGAL sometime soon. I'd like to thank them for setting everything up for it to occur at the park. I'd also would like to thank Kathy Burrows at the park for making it happen.

Ahhh WGAL when!? Please ccron and wonky face?! You know something we don't! ? Ok in all seriousness thanks for the update this is honestly true insider information on this site thank you so much for all u guys do

intaminfan08 wrote:Ahhh WGAL when!? Please ccron and wonky face?! You know something we don't! ? Ok in all seriousness thanks for the update this is honestly true insider information on this site thank you so much for all u guys do

I really don't know yet, I'll post something when we know.
I should be thanking you guys for your dedication for posting here. I was recently brought to the attention that the paper article didn't really give everyone at the forums credit for what they contributed. I just want to let you guys know that we were only interviewed mostly for the questions about how we got the puzzle and what HPCrazy and me thought the coaster would be. The rest was written by the Patriot News and while it was a good article, I think it should've gave credit to everyone here who has contributed something.
Just wanted to clear this up.

Ccron10 wrote: A new update has been posted to the 2012 Update page on the website:
http://keystonethrills.webs.com/attraction2012updates.htm

Your update page is very nicely done.

One comment I will make is those black tubes you called "drainage pipes" look to me to be casings for footers. There will be no need, as far as I see, to drain that kind of volume of water. What will happen is as they drill large, deep holes into the ground with an auger, those will go into the ground and be filled with concrete and large bolts to anchor the supports.

For the record, I meant no offense to CoasterEricHP. Just trying to touch base with someone with whom I had some contact back in the day.

Also, as far as what type of ride this will be... there is no way this is a flyer, not at 212 feet in height. You can pull those kind of G's in a prone position. I'd love a B&M dive machine close to home, but that would be a tad redundant at Hersheypark.

I don't really care about any water effects. Didn't Hersheypark learn their lesson about water effects with that pointless one on Lightning Racer? It's been inactive for at least 7 years now.

Magnum PA wrote:

Ccron10 wrote: A new update has been posted to the 2012 Update page on the website:
http://keystonethrills.webs.com/attraction2012updates.htm

Your update page is very nicely done.

One comment I will make is those black tubes you called "drainage pipes" look to me to be casings for footers. There will be no need, as far as I see, to drain that kind of volume of water. What will happen is as they drill large, deep holes into the ground with an auger, those will go into the ground and be filled with concrete and large bolts to anchor the supports.

For the record, I meant no offense to CoasterEricHP. Just trying to touch base with someone with whom I had some contact back in the day.

Also, as far as what type of ride this will be... there is no way this is a flyer, not at 212 feet in height. You can pull those kind of G's in a prone position. I'd love a B&M dive machine close to home, but that would be a tad redundant at Hersheypark.

I don't really care about any water effects. Didn't Hersheypark learn their lesson about water effects with that pointless one on Lightning Racer? It's been inactive for at least 7 years now.

Now that you mention it, I think I do remember in the past at other parks that they used something similar to those as footer castings. Looks like if this is true, then it looks like it will be an Intamin hyper given how it's footers are mostly round.

Hey magnum PA you said something about a water element on lightning racer back on the day. I can't remember this, but could you just gjog my memory.

The tunnel on LR where they take your picture had a waterfall effect the first few years..I remember it would drip all over the track I mean I know the track is obviously weather proof but the constant dripping might have had something to do with this. If magnum is right we could possibly see footers being poured very soon over the water kind of like maverick having its footers done early.

How are the footers shaped on I-305? I'm assuming boxy given that a majority of its supports are square, not round. Should they be pouring round footers, would this mean that we could be getting something similar in design to the Superman Ride of Steel coasters instead of I-305's design on a smaller scale?

I do agree with Chris' post. I also saw who made that comment/statement on Facebook and indeed alot of you guys have also contributed to the site in this discussion and we do want to show our thanks/appreciation and dedication to everyone involved. We definitely wouldn't have made it this far without your support as well!

I would also like to thank WGAL News 8 for featuring us in one of their stories and to Mrs Burrows for allowing us to shoot the story inside the park. Many thanks to you both! We will definitely inform you of when the story will air.

Congrats on the interview guys! Not really seeing a flyer, space doesn't really mesh with a traditional flyer and a dive machine seems plausible since just like i305 it has a pretty steep lift, but I still can't see Hershey going that way for a third straight time.

HPCrazy wrote:How are the footers shaped on I-305? I'm assuming boxy given that a majority of its supports are square, not round. Should they be pouring round footers, would this mean that we could be getting something similar in design to the Superman Ride of Steel coasters instead of I-305's design on a smaller scale?

I must've been thinking of the round supports that they used to do because the footers for them were mostly round. But for the new square ones, I think they've been going with a more square footer lately. But I could be wrong because I did come across a few photos of round footers for Cheetah Hunt, but that maybe because of it's Figure-8 element.
For I-305, the footers look to be mostly square. I checked out to see what a B&M's footers look like and they mostly square (like on Intimidator at Carowinds).

I think this is nothing more than ordinary drainage piping becuase the site still needs a lot of work such as tree removal and land leveling. They are also playing around with the creek as well.

No, based on a picture I saw, Intimidator 300's footers are round, even though the track is squared. I think all Intamin footers are rounded.

By the way, about a flyer; that's what I think the next coaster after this will be; in 2016, since Hershey gets a new roller coaster every four years.

I'll have to look up some pictures and check up on that. If those pipes are any indication to the pouring of footers then we know that's pointing to Intamin.

rascalflatts wrote:No, based on a picture I saw, Intimidator 300's footers are round, even though the track is squared. I think all Intamin footers are rounded.

By the way, about a flyer; that's what I think the next coaster after this will be; in 2016, since Hershey gets a new roller coaster every four years.

All Intamin footers are round, as far as I know. Both Fahrenheit and Storm Runner's are.

Hershey doesn't get new coasters every 4 years. This is the longest Hershey has gone without putting in a new roller coaster since Sidewinder.

Joy Ride/Wildcat - 1923 (next coaster: 23 years)
Comet - 1946 (next coaster: 26 years)
Twin Tobaggans - 1972 (next coaster: 2 years)
Trailblazer - 1974 (next coaster: 3 years)
SooperDooperLooper - 1977 (next coaster: 14 years)
Sidewinder - 1991 (next coaster: 5 years)
Wildcat - 1996 (next coaster: 2 years)
Great Bear - 1998 (next coaster: 1 year)
Wild Mouse - 1999 (next coaster: 1 year)
Lightning Racer - 2000 (next coaster: 2 years)
Roller Soaker - 2002 (next coaster: 2 years)
Storm Runner - 2004 (next coaster: 1 year)
Turbulence - 2005 - CANCELLED (next coaster: 3 years)
Fahrenheit - 2008 (next coaster presumed debut: 4 years)

Turbulence would have been the park's 11th coaster. It was even announced. And that ride and manufacturer was such a problem that it wasn't something that could be pushed to another year, it simply had to be cancelled.

Which is really, really too bad, because that would have made Founder's Circle much better in terms of if you want more rides like that, than kiddie rides.

The coaster itself would have been okay, but just not in that section of the park. For what kind of theming they wanted to try to accomplish there with the transformation into Founder's Circle, having a huge tower of steel looming over the Carrousel would've looked horrible. The ride would have had a smaller footprint that it could've been placed elsewhere, should the deal have went through.

Yeah I agree.. the whole issue with Turbulence saved Founder's Circle.. I definitely did not want to see a 150 foot tall steel beast in the middle of that area! They made up for that a few years later though with the horrendous vomited up playskool looking waterplay area..

Well here's the thing about Turbulence. It was only going to be 25 feet taller thanthe Giant Wheel. Your looking at a queue similar to Wild Mouse and a similar structure, just on its side. Also, bear in mind that in the history of Carrousel Circle, it already had a (double) coaster, the Twin Tobaggins.

^ True.. and the Giant Wheel was a massive ride. But still.. I've seen a lot of ugly attractions/coasters but this one would take the cake for its hideousness.





Bleh!

How do you guys think the ride would've been? It was an intriguing concept and it would have been a great family ride. I think it would've fit right perfectly in Midway America.

Remember, the ride was going to be red, white and blue, matching the Carrousel's colors. And I guess it would have said Turbulence facing into the park, but Hersheypark with the pinwheel logo facing out towards Hersheypark Drive. Color scheme wise, it wouldn't have looked nearly as bad.

However, I do agree that a ride like that could fit elsewhere in the park. I think a really good place could have been in Minetown where the three kiddie rides are. How cool would it be to ascending 150 feet in the air with Storm Runner going by at the same time? It'd provide for a cool view, especially with Flying Falcon near by and Kissing Tower not too far off. Yeah, fitting in the queue and ride photo place would be a bit difficult to place given the way that space is being used now, but purely as a concept, I think that'd be a cool place. And an homage to the Joy Ride/Wildcat since the old station used to be there.

And I'm really glad we did follow up on the vertical lift design in Fahrenheit. Even though it's a little too similar for me with Storm Runner...well, Fahrenheit is better hands down (than both what Turbulence could have been and Storm Runner). I know, I know...it's crazy.

gb980109 wrote:Well here's the thing about Turbulence. It was only going to be 25 feet taller thanthe Giant Wheel. Your looking at a queue similar to Wild Mouse and a similar structure, just on its side. Also, bear in mind that in the history of Carrousel Circle, it already had a (double) coaster, the Twin Tobaggins.

You could see Giant Wheel from outside the park from Hersheypark Drive and seeing a coaster such as that and 25 feet taller than the Giant Wheel looming over the skyline like a wall would've looked horrible. This is probably the reason why no park has added one to their collection.
Personally, I really don't think it would've been a good coaster. It would've had problems given that it would've been a prototype and on the performance-side, it wouldn't have been a good family ride given it's height and probably would've disappointed thrill-seekers.
On the good side it would've provided great views at the top of the park and town. If this was the purpose of the ride, then I guess it wouldn't be that bad then.

As for I-305's footers:

Photo from Theme Park Review

I'm seeing all square footers. Same thing for iSpeed which is another modern square supported Intamin.

It's too early for footers to be dug or for anything to be arriving for that. They still a lot of dirt to move and they need to add drainage piping, which is probably what the piping is for.

I've been wondering this for years now.. with the Falcon/Condor tower rides slowly being removed from parks do you think it will be replaced in the next few years and with what? Do you say -

A. Intamin drop tower
B. S&S drop tower
C. Other drop tower
D. Stratosoar tower

or something else?

All I have really wanted in the last 10 years is a drop tower! They are the only rides that still freak me out. Sadly.. I've lived in PA and the Orlando/Tampa area in the last 10 years and I still don't have a drop tower near me! (I don't count ToT or Dr Doom as real drop towers since I like sitting at the top trying not to wet myself)

Sigh..

Ccron10 wrote:This is probably the reason why no park has added one to their collection.

Hershey sued the ride manufacturer for breach of contract, amongst other things, and won. On top of that, the manufacturer quickly gained a bad reputation. That's the reason why no park has added one to their collection.

It could have been a bad ride, given it being a prototype, given it's manufacturer. I think once they worked the kinks out, it would have been alright. Certainly not as problematic as rides like Roller Soaker and Reese's Xtreme Cup Challenge.

CoasterEricHP wrote:

A. Intamin drop tower
B. S&S drop tower
C. Other drop tower
D. Stratosoar tower

or something else?

A drop tower would be a logical replacement for Flying Falcon, but I would imagine they'll move in a different direction. From what I understand, drop towers don't have a good maintenance reputation, and Hershey has been offered drop towers and passed on them. But going with the choices, I'd guess Intamin, only because of the two coasters (maybe three?) and Kissing Tower being an Intamin.

I really don't see any drop tower going where Flying Falcon is located, due to its close proximity to the Kissing Tower. The view of the park just wouldn't look right with two towers that close to each other, even with the drop tower being shorter than the Kissing Tower. On the other hand, if they were to remove Flying Falcon in the near future, they'll most likely put another flat there. I really do hope Flying Falcon remains for a while though because it's truly a unique ride....something you don't see too much of these days. The only other parks that have them that I can remember as of this time are Marineland Niagara Falls and Six Flags Great America.

The Giant Wheel looked alot better and more unique to the park's skyline than Turbulence would have ever looked....enough said. The only positive thing that Turbulence would've had on the park would have been the view. I'm glad it never happened...Fahrenheit is alot better anyways.

Thanks for clarifying the footer issue Chris. I-305's footers look similar to Great Bear's. Right now I don't know what to think in regards to that piping laying there. They were messing around with the creek when we were there on Tuesday so I don't know if some of it is related to the damming of the creek or not. I really do hope we're getting something that looks like I-305 design-wise because even though it would be an Intamin, it would look different than Storm Runner and Fahrenheit and maybe people wouldn't have a hard time distinguishing it from the other two.

I think a Windseeker ride would be better than a drop tower, because the ride is a lot longer. They also can take 64 people at a time, so the line shouldn't be too long. I think they should put it along the pathway that goes between the Storm Runner/Sidewinder plaza and the Fahrenheit/Seaquel area. It could also be somewhere in Pioneer frontier, in Storm Runner's infield. There isn't enough room in Minetown, Comet Hollow, or Midway America, especially if the Tilt-a-whirl is moving.

Ccron10 wrote:I'm seeing all square footers. Same thing for iSpeed which is another modern square supported Intamin.

It's too early for footers to be dug or for anything to be arriving for that. They still a lot of dirt to move and they need to add drainage piping, which is probably what the piping is for.

Ok. The shape of the footers (square or round) has nothing to do with the shape of the support (square or round). Most often, it has to do with the in-ground depth of the footer. Squared footers are more shallow in depth. Round footers typically run deep into the ground for added support. You can't effectively dig a deep, narrow square hole. You can drill a deep narrow round one.

Footer depth is determined based on two things. One is the amount of force the coaster exerts on the supports in that particular section of the ride, mostly forces to the sides - anything pulling away from the ground. The greater the force, the deeper the footers supporting the track are in the ground. Second is the stability of the ground where the footer is placed. Footers are anchored deeper into the earth if the ground is less stable, say on a hillside or near water, or where the bedrock is deeper in the ground.

There is no standard footer style for any coaster manufacturer. In fact you often times find both squared and rounded supports on the same ride.

I-305 has some rectangular footers in the twisting section because two supports are attached to them. I don't know what kind of supports Attraction 2012 will have. That would depend on the manufacturer. Just because Intamin changed support styles for I-305, doesn't necessarily mean that all future Intamin rides will feature them. I-305 was different than anything else anyone had done due to its extreme height and speed.

Tubing that looks like what we see there now is used only for run-off, not for draining buildings or fixtures. I maintain that there is no, and will be no need for that much drain line for this project. What could they possibly need to drain? Rain water will run off into the creek, which has been bypassed so that the pond area can be pumped dry.

These may really be casings for footers. It's not too soon either. If this thing is as big as we think, there will be a lot of them, in difficult places to dig. That's why they have started construction already. The sooner they can place footers in the pond, the sooner they can remove the bypass, and return the pond/creek to its more natural state.

Maybe an easy way to figure it out at this point would be to count the number of tubes. They mentioned 32 supports in the water, right? If there are 32 tubes, or close to it, we may have our answer.

About the drop tower...

I think a while back we brought this up as well. It wouldn't look good in Minetown, like said about what it would look like with the Kissing Tower. I think if they were to get one, it should go somewhere in Mindway or Pioneer Frontier, around (but not next to) the claw.
Also, I just had the chance to check the other site, and I must say that the updates are coming along great! Nice to have an easily accessible update source.

Magnum PA wrote:I really think these tubes are casings for footers.

It's for redirecting the creek while they put the footers in. That tubing can't support setting footers anyway.

Thats a B&M. Round footers in drainage pipes.

They're steel^ The ones in the earlyer picture are plastic, which is quite obviously less strong then metal. Im sure these are just for some type of drainage. Even if they're not draining the creek they will still need pipes to drain water from queue lines and such.

RoUsTaBoUt wrote:I talked to a worker in the preside catering area last week and apparently the stream bed is going to be dredged to expose the bedrock for the placement of footers. Two dams will be constructed to allow heavy equipment in the stream and the entire flow of (the creek)

What this person posted is accurate. They've already dammed the creek near Comet, where that silver pipe connects to those pumps. They will redirect the creek using the well discussed plastic piping.

And that B&M picture is a great example. How deep do you think the support goes into the concrete? Not the 40/50 feet that length of the plastic piping at Creekside Catering is.